And teachers like you and Monica Gauci and others are much more deserving of the label Ashtanga (8 limbed) Yoga teachers. Well, heres somebody who had such teacherly influence for such a long time and such administrative influence over the entire organization for such a long time. Karen has finished Karen's high school education. And apparently he would stop from time to time, but like somebody who had clearly an illness, he wasnt able to stop for very long. He has recently had allegations, numerous allegations of sexual assault verified against him by an independent investigation that was commissioned by the Iyengar Yoga Association of the United State, or IYNAUS. I think its really kind of awful serendipity really because it was reportable. And you know, even if hes abusing you, maybe hes helping you get over ego. And thats a felt, phenomenological experience. More importantly I think there needs to be a disclaimer that Sharath has any form of guru status, that he knows our bodies better than we do. I mean it didnt have to be me. And as far as like being judgmental goes, I mean, well, asking for basic justice and respect isnt judgmental. Braver than I was. View Karen Haberman's record in Huntington, MA including current phone number, address, relatives, background check report, and property record with Whitepages. But youre not getting anything out of those confrontations if youre trying to teach there. I would like also to thank you, Karen, for being so clear in your interview what constitutes assault and going through all the intellectualizations and rationalisations, that are trying to explain KP Jois behaviour away. I totally agree with you, Karen, that sexual abuse is not about sex. Get started U.S. Yearbooks Name Index, 1890-1979. But if youre running a public space, and people who are sexual assault survivors are going to it and they can Google Pattabhi Joiss name and that story is the first thing that comes up how are they going to feel safe and how were they going to feel as though youre not somehow excusing or aiding and abetting or minimizing or just not caring about sexual assault. City of Lethbridge, Alberta. What all of the 16 women who gave their testimony for my book I describe is that you know, they werent people to him. Karen Haberman. Karen Rain Speaks About Pattabhi Jois and Recovering from Sexual and Spiritual Abuse. Read more. Find Karen Haberman's phone number, address, and email on Spokeo, the leading people search directory for contact information and public records. Gregor Maehle interviewed by Alvise Vianello, On Mudras, Tantric Meditation and teaching, Adam Keen interviews Gregor on Yoga for Mental Health. After the first day my knees were swelling to the size of footballs and I could hardly walk. I dont think we have a clear idea of what the commitments, the social and economic and relational commitments, there are or were or were supposed to have existed between teachers and students that might ground all of this stuff. So I want to dive into that. Thats a hard one, right? I had started interviewing people from all communities and methods. Any reform movement that isnt asking Joiss survivors exactly what to do and exactly what they need and exactly what they would have needed to keep safe is not really a reform movement at all. He can teach Manouso Manos Yoga tomorrow and open up shop wherever, maybe in Bali or something. The first chapter was going to be an examination of the interview data of senior students of Mr Iyengar. 2 Ditonton. Um, no. If you feel this work is helpful in a way that you would like to support, contributions are deeply appreciated. Opportunistic. He would come behind women and digitally rape them by actually pressing his fingers through their tights and into their genitals. You are my sunshine [silent separation] # Yang ming,Huang xioming. Now, parampara in precolonial terms, and up until this point, even now in contemporary India, means something very specific about how knowledge is transferred, especially spiritual knowledge in this context. Like what were the conditions under which they learned? So theres tools in there and the tools are accompanied by personal essay questions for review. Thank you to Josh Summers for interviewing me about Practice and All is Coming. And I just kind of got into following what you had to say about it and it really seemed like you had some trenchant analysis that was deeply missing in the broader conversation. After high school on Long Island, New York, she went . Thats, thats mixed. . Karen Haberman +95 +94 +93 +91 . My office is in Room 2.14 in the Mathematical Sciences Building. Marian was a Charter. I remember to this day her clarity and steely determination in her eyes when she looked straight at me and said with a smile, Forget about it. People who have that response really have to get educated in what it means to be in a toxic power dynamic, that confuses your basic capacity to feel as though you have agency. But in 2012, there was a big hagiography published of Joiss life featuring interviews with 40 students, and everybody talked about how wonderful he was and what a grandfather and father figure he was, and a spiritual teacher and all of that. I dont want to interrupt. This is kind of an odd sort of endorsement to you, but, right at this point Id say youre the main reason I go onto Facebook. View Public Record Results ✓ Addresses. I think she is a scatterbrain. Id even say his own fans arent responsible for him deceiving them! Thank you for believing me now, for understanding that sexual, spiritual and institutional abuse are complex and for not shaming me for not recognizing what was happening to me at the time. She asked PJ ("Guruji") why she had back pain and got no nuggets of wisdom. So I had the sense around 2015 or 16 that if what I was hearing was true and I believed that it was true, that it would really rock the foundations of this particular community. Karen #MeToo ( . Your email address will not be published. He gained the trust. And if shes to blame for believing that, well, you know, lets have another conversation about what people actually end up believing. You dont know, I dont know whats going on in Pattabhi Joiss head. That did not happen. Again Ill refer to TM in the book, who says that as soon as she was sexually assaulted, somebody who saw it happen came up to her and said, Okay, so you realize that what just happened to you that wasnt sexual. And she was very confused. Talk about whats going on in Yoga land, uh, whats problematic about it and what might be some ways that things can be remedied. They dont know what they are doing! Current address 81693 Camino El Triunfo, Indio, CA 92203 $1,760: B. And this is Meaning of Life TV. And then that second layer of isolation leads to a kind of internal isolation from your own moral sense, where its like you had values that helped you navigate the world. And the only person who really is the reality principle is the leader, is Mr Jois, is Mr Iyengar, is, Manouso Manos. Ive spent two years interviewing Karen Rain. Looking for something? She was born March 29, 1946 in Greeley, Colorado to Alfred H. and Norma L. (Dickerson) Johnson. Karen Rain (Haberman). Its great that these things are finally brought out in the open and that the myth of the infallible, adorable guru is pierced. Your email address will not be published. So its really, its really complicated. You know, I think the whole notion of the veneration of the photograph is so difficult for so many people because there was an intensity with which he would gaze at them or they would gaze at him. Right. Heres somebody who is probably less of a yoga teacher than a sexual predator posing as a yoga teacher. 5 out of 5 stars (21,334) $ 9.99. Like, this is not a regulated profession. Privacy Policy| Terms & Conditions. But I also want to say that, you know, the notion that the notion that people should be liberated somehow in the way in which they conceive of their sexuality within yoga is part of yogas appeal actually. And so I think its unfortunate that I already had a name coming into this particular work, that I carried the baggage of past work with me. Thats where we get into the notion of whether or not the method fosters communities that are actually high demand or cultic. Thats a really crucial moment actually because one of the things that comes up in each one of these yoga or Buddhist community, you know, spiritual, physical, emotional, sexual abuse cases is that the behavior of the actual actions of the leader of the perpetrator are always interpretable. So theres something in there called the PRISM method. One woman commenting on my last post signed off with #gurufreezone. And as you described, mulabundha is sort of this energetic muscular lock down in the perineum, and the teacher is coming around feeling that to make sure its in quote-unquote engaged. In the last 24 hours I have hear from several sides that the video showing KP Jois sexually assaulting and adjusting violently students has been taken down several times by petitions of Jois followers. And theyre not following a led series of instructions from the teacher. Hopemissema. Somehow, I thought the guru knows better and knows my body better than I (where did I get that idea from?) The cover-up has to stop and what has been done has to be owned. A. Why arent we talking about that more? Like if youve trained as an asana, a teacher, lets stay in our lane: lets not give dietary advice. I hate that phrase, but I think theres theres nothing to have been done about it. 0 Ditonton. Trigger warning: descriptions of sexual and physical assault. 9:59. I had two similar smaller occurrences when the girls in question simply smiled at me, shook their heads and walked on. All of that intentionality, all of that speculation on peoples internal states, what it usually does is it overshadows the fact that a crime has been committed and we can obviously set up ways of preventing it from happening again. In following you, I know that you have your eyes on many different yoga and Buddhist meditative spiritual communities that have lots of these bad dynamics at play. Meanwhile, their colleagues are not supposed to be looking. whether for the first time And this really goes back to a very old and sacred idea in a part of Indian wisdom culture called Tantrism where the guru is said to embody a kind of bio-spiritual grace. David D Rain, Dianne D Rain, and two other persons spent some time in this place. But when you asked me that question, I think of an amazing accountability statement made by Sarai Harvey Monk who is authorized by Sharath Jois sometime in the 2010s, something like that. And this is what happened to us and this is how we feel about what will create safety and respect, not only for us, but for students going forward. Its like the modern yoga movement has been built on the charismatic personalities that did not have a scope of practice because it was thought or they assume they could do anything. Did you get into this in your book about the, like Mark Singletons work looking at the origin of modern postural yoga of which Joiss system comes as part of? Dear sister and sister-in-law of Susan and Stuart Kampel. Theyre not going to be trained to take care of your subluxated disc in your back, and theyre not going to be trained to fix your labral tear. Court records for this case are available from Stanley Mosk Courthouse. Is it about the fact that you went that morning? I know that the group will have some challenges with diversity with inclusion and also. Lets not start talking about the chakras. Theres a guy named Guy Donahaye, who actually was the co editor with Eddie Stern of a very popular book in 2012 called Guruji which I describe in my book, and I criticize very closely and heavily as being a hagiography of Jois that was published with the cultural knowledge of what was being left out. And when that came up, people would say, Oh, hes helping people with their money issues. by Gregor Maehle | May 17, 2018 | Ashtanga MeToo, Teaching | 6 comments. I mean, objectification is just dehumanizing. I came back in 1999 for a short period with unstable knees. I hope that people are able to begin to look at the communities that they live in a little bit more critically, to look at the kind of leadership that they have a little bit more critically and start modelling that critical thinking. Theyre implying that it has the weight of several generations of validation behind it. What was it about the Ashtanga situation itself that made you want to put it in the forefront of your case study in the book? And so theres a way in which people show up in spaces like this and they are working so extrovertedly with their bodies in very vulnerable positions and theyre told that this practice will have kind of like a total effect upon their bodies, minds, emotions, psyches. And at a certain point I realized that the injury question in the Ashtanga world, which is profound, its, it goes deep was still a surface question to the abuse issue that had been silent for many, many years, but also carried by a number of women survivors in a kind of whisper network as well. Transcript is below. Well I wont repeat it is what it is, but, one of the things I really appreciated about the book was the level of analysis that you went into, sort of deconstructing the dynamics in these high demand groups that that broadens the conversation from just saying, Oh, well the perpetrator was just a bad apple. I am glad that I strongly advised any of my students not to go there. I think it behoves all us men to start treating women with more respect. Scope of practice or defining a scope of practice for a yoga teacher is a keystone of that effort. Based on facts, either observed and verified firsthand by the reporter, or reported and verified from knowledgeable sources. To me, virtue signaling is, you know, some sort of opportunistic self aggrandizement based upon associating yourself with you a fashionable social cause. So objectification was a felt reality by the women who he assaulted. How is the community both within Ashtanga and th yoga community outside of Ashtanga receiving this? But theres always something mysterious about the leader or the guru which is probably not a good word for these people that allows their behaviors to be endlessly bandied about as though, Well, we cant really know what he was doing. (Page 2) In both cults that I was a recruited into, they presented themselves as, other than what they actually were. So I mean, okay. Amongst the people who do, this is a difficult book to read and some people have really negative reactions to it. Make a life-giving gesture I could have been one of the women who simply smiled at you, shook their heads and walked on when you approached them about the sexual abuse. And I just want to thank you for that. I would agree. At that point I decided that I must have hallucinated or made things up or maybe it was my ego or deviant nature that projected my own problems on the guru. I dont know what his internal constellation is like. Because if they were assaulted while they were learning, thats going to inform their bodily sense of who they are and what this means and what theyre feeling and who theyre doing it for. I was trying through the night to remember how close your mat must have been to mine. He would cut short their stays or would say that they owed him more money than they actually did, or he would make up exchange rates between the US dollar and the rupee in his favor. The thing that listeners need to know is that theres ample video and photographic evidence documenting all of this. You know: you have to make a distinction between people that you love because you love them and people who are triggering to your students. But the thing is, is that administratively we have this sense that while hes been excised, somehow hes been amputated and, you know, were all fine now. But Jois is the person who puts postures into rigorous sequences and really gives the modern group class its fluid and intense feeling, going forward. So I hope those are helpful ideas. This is a great apple. Thats not safe for the people who come to your studio. I have known Karen as Karen Haberman and have practised close to her for around 10 or 11 months through 1996 and 1997 in KP Jois little Lakshmipuram studio. Or the opposite, which I hear a lot too is Okay, well if these people, like with Karen Rain going back again and again and getting continually assaulted: Whats going on in her psychology or someones psychology like that, that keeps them there? Again, I am really sorry that all of this happened and that it damaged you and other women so much. Loving mother and mother-in-law of Michael Whitla and the late Lisa Haberman, the late Jennifer Haberman, and the late Becca Haberman. Love scar [ Flower Rain] EP.1c #Jerry Yan, Karen Mok. But when I first got into yoga, just to put a context on this, when I first got into yoga and started hanging around and studios that had an Ashtanga Yoga program, I did hear these whispers around certain kinds of adjustments and that the euphemism that was given for this kind of very intimate genital touch was called a mulabandha check. Shes actually a womens studies professor in southern England somewhere. I know its tough sledding. I think Matthews book has gone beyond the final draft state but he may still record further cases if you are interested. What would you like to see, see moving forward? And that is about to get checked. And so what that means is that theyre saying that a technique that Jois developed in the late sixties and changed several times as his shala got busier, theyre implying that that is traditional in a way. But this feeling that people are getting individual attention and that when the teacher comes around and pays them that close attention. We have 24 records for Karen Haberman ranging in age from 39 years old to 79 years old. Karen Faber Haberman Counselor at San Diego Unified School District San Diego County, California, United States 11 connections I am a Harrison Early Career Assistant Professor in the Department of Statistics at the University of Warwick. Hopemissema. Whats more obvious here is that this guys sexually assaulting women. Karen has been found in 12 states including Wisconsin, Alabama, Oregon, California, Colorado. Matthew Remski writes and presents on yoga and ayurveda in the shadows of capitalism and climate change. Like the Iyengar fold will say that This is authentic. And that it was going to stand in the way of her spiritual development or something like that. Karen is deeply missed by all who loved her. 35 records for Karen Haberman. Why shouldnt their sexuality somehow be included in that? Recent News About Karen Haberman . Gregor. I will address you, Karen, now directly and will get Matthew to forward you my response. Karen grew up in Nunn attending elementary, junior high, and high school there, and she graduated in the first class at the newly-formed Highland High School in . SIGN UP; . Karen L. Haberman, 74, of Nunn, Colorado, passed away on November 27, 2020 at her home. Theres a lot of aspirations involved there. We know that Karen M. (Haberman) Golson had been residing in Texas . The problem with that is that there might be some, some therapeutic application of that principle of well, You know, in this moment, do you feel as though you have agency with regard to how youre moving forward coming out of this experience. Updated: June 20, 2015 . But I remember at some point I performed a twist, while KP Jois adjusted the girl next to me in drop backs. And I would say that anybody in the Ashtanga world who calls me an opportunist should really ask themselves the question, If you knew about this, where was your book? 2020 Matthew Remski. What kind of reform I know you mentioned things like more of a consent culture in terms of adjustments and scope of practice considerations. The interviews, to be included in a forthcoming article and book, describe Jois' daily sexual assaults, and the culture of silencing that enabled them . 9:53. This site hosts over 200 original posts on current affairs in modern global yoga and Buddhist culture. And part of the story that started to accrue around what Jois was doing as he was sexually assaulting women and possibly men too, thats not verified by first person testimony though. Theres part of this invocation of tradition that also shielded Pattabhi Jois from scrutiny because one of the things that his students would say, and they say it to this day actually, is that his adjustments, as brutal as they were, as injurious and as intrusive as they were, were traditional. Yoga. I refer to it here and there throughout the book because you cant really avoid it. 79 followers 78 connections The fellowship was funded by the FSMP . Again, thanks for being an ally! I just think people should be open to correcting it. It suggests that at the heart of this, you know, venerable, lauded, beloved, you know, spiritual/wellness practice, theres this really dark problem that, that hasnt been looked at and hasnt, and hasnt been addressed. Or how can we help you mitigate this educational stain?. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. If you are deceived about why you are in a place, about what is going to offer you, then youve really already had your agency taken away. I talked to her about the process of projection, about idealizing a person, about giving up ones power, hypnotizing oneself into beliefs and finally about taking self-responsibility. Thank you, Karen Rain, and Gregor Maehle. Karen Rain is a tutor, writer, queer feminist, activist and nature lover. Where was your newspaper report? I would say that they probably have to do a better job of making sure that theyre professionally consulting with survivors like Karen Rain and Anneke Lucas and Jubilee Cooke. She was like, What do you mean it wasnt sexual? And they had some explanation about Shaktipat or spiritual transmission. Search records by state to find the best match for Karen Rain. Really. See my privacy policy to learn more about how I use data. Why didnt you go to a journalist? What does Karen Rain have to say? In the past, Karen has also been known as Karen L Haberman and Karen Lynn Haberman. Right. Its a system. "Maybe This Time". Recently, Karen and LaRhonda Steele have founded the duo "The Spirit of Freedom" which showcases the songs of the Civil Rights Movement and their relevance to then and now. Sorry to hear that you got assaulted by Jois, too. And she comes up with a conservative estimate of 300 or, sorry, 30,000 individual sexual assaults over whats likely a 30 year period. Ive really enjoyed talking to you and Im really super appreciative of the work youre doing. Hes probably BKS Iyengars most famous, most prominent, most senior student, and the one who most embodies his own teaching persona. I want to thank you for coming out with your story. If one in four women are survivors of sexual assault and its probably higher than that do you really want to almost emotionally haze or gaslight a quarter of your potential practice population? Haberman retweeted a New York Times report from Friday that linked Florida officials, including the governor, to the "delayed" evacuation in Lee County one day before the hurricane made landfall . And he actually describes being brutalized by Krishnamacharya being beaten as he learned to do asanas. It happens to mediocrely educated people. New information found for Karen Haberman. They said: This practice will give you spiritual liberation and if you follow this teachers instructions as closely as you can and you surrender your body up to them, your process will go a lot faster. Accompanied by personal essay questions for review and methods Mosk Courthouse, 2018 | Ashtanga MeToo teaching... 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